The family mans estate was littered with human remains. She Thought Something Was Off About Her Husband. The authorities were still sniffing around him and Julie, [00:10:00] just waiting for the chance to search the property. The good news is that there is treatment, but theres also no cure. By 1965, Herb had graduated high school and was accepted into Indiana University. Things are mentally fragmented. According to the informant, he visit one of Indys gay nightclubs, and he saw another man who was overly interested in a missing persons poster that had been tacked on the clubs wall. In the fall of 1994, Julie Baumeisters son Erichthe middle of three children she shared with her husband Herb Baumeisterbrought her a human skull. If Ive been asked to keep quiet about something, I do. Her Husband Accidentally Died, Then She Found The Bodies In HisTrunk, 37 Creepy Stories Of Serial Killers That Have Stuck With People Over TheYears, I Always Thought Something Was Off About My Basement, But I Had No Idea How Terrifying The TruthWas, 37 Gruesome Facts I Learned About Ted Bundy From The Stranger BesideMe, 41 Of The Creepiest Unsolved Mysteries Of AllTime, Im Ready To Tell The Truth About My Interviews With Graham Welsh, The Man Found Innocent After 20 Years On DeathRow. And then theres my personal life. Serial killers are master manipulators and experts at hiding in plain sight, and many have the ability to live double lives for years without getting caught. Im certainly not doing anything criminal in real life, nor do I ever want to. Credits: Insomniac is a production of iHeartRadio and TenderfootTV. Apparently this angered Herb so much that he decided to take photographs of what he witnessed and share them with the local news station to alert them to this wrongdoing. True crime books were always and still are on his Christmas and birthday wish lists, or as my aunt sometimes called them, his murder books. WebJulie began taking the children away for months at a time, leaving Herb alone at Fox Hollow. The ordeal frightened Harris, and he went to the police. "Already prepared in his mind, I think. 3rd edition ed. Before starting the Sav-A-Lot thrift store chain, Herb held a variety of jobs, where his strong work ethic clashed with occasional fits of anger and bizarre behavior. The Baumeister family was ready to move into their new dream home. Erich was carrying a human skull on a stick. A lot of them do, however, have a different mental disorder known as Antisocial Personality Disorder or APD [00:08:00] and personality traits of a psychopath as well, which includes no empathy, the ability to manipulate and intimidate others, but also to do these things with a sort of charm that allows them to get exactly what they want. Dennis, known as the BTK killer for his method of bind, torture, kill, murdered at least 10 women from 1974 to 1991. Sign up for The Lineup's newsletter, and get our scariest tales sent straight to your inbox. Perhaps aware of his imminent arrest, he had fled to Canada, where his body was found on July 3, lying just outside his car in Pinery Provincial Park. Youll undoubtedly hear about Herb Baumeisters several murders, or the boys he cultivated then lured home. When Julie asked Herb Baumeister, her husband of 23 years, about the bones, he told her they were from his anesthesiologist fathers medical school skeleton. WhileJulie took their kids on vacation, her husband metmen at gay bars and had sex with them. Ep: 190 - Herb Baumeister / I-70 Strangler" - Reloaded - The House of Fox Hallow Farm - The Psychology of Serial Killers, AKA The "I-70 Strangler" and responsible for "The Gay Murders" in Indiana in the late 1980's and early 1990's was an odd man that rode around in a hearse and urinating on a lot of different things, Ep: 49 - Herb Baumeister & The House on Fox Hollow Farm The Psychology of Serial Killers, Erotophonophilia & Auto-Erotic Asphixiation, prolific serial killer and murderer who turned his massive estate. She and her children moved into Gacys now-infamous home on Summerdale Avenue in Chicago, IL. [00:18:00] Intact rib cages and spines were poking out from the muddy ground. Other members of our family would just laugh and shake their heads and wonder why he was drawn to books about such dark material. He kept reaching out to me." Rileys body was later found in a stream near I-70. Follow on Twitter and Facebook at Insomniacpod, on Instagram at InsomniacPodcast and on our website, InsomniacPodcast.com. His groups have reported hearing voices, footsteps, and other strange sounds, and feeling sensations of being punched, pinched, hit, and, in one case, choked. 10 had disappeared in the previous two years beginning in the spring of 1993. Newscaster: A raccoon which met its demise on the yellow line became one with the paint. This is a special five-part true crime series for the month of October. No effort to get it out of the way. After all, he had planned to do this somewhere else. Music composed by Makeup and Vanity Set, and cover art by Trevor Eiler. Of course, in the years that followed, evidence came to light to suggest that Herb's seemingly harmless eccentricities were much more sinister than just Herb., Related: Inside John Wayne Gacy Jr.'s Real Life Murder House. The raccoon has since been removed. Judith Mawsonbecame instantly smitten when she met Gary Ridgway in 1985. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, the two had three children together, two girls and a boy. So why mannequins? I experience it all. He finished his long note with the line that he simply wanted to eat a peanut butter sandwich, his favorite snack, and then go to sleep. This number, however,is a conservative estimate: Ridgway believes he killed as many as 75 to 80 women. Theres no doubt its his fields, his driveway, and his fence. I find myself looking at crime scene photos [00:01:30] for hours at a time. Two other people Scott A Baumeister and Colleen Jasken are associated with this address. Hoff's mother also told the Associated Press that the house always smelled "like dead rats." The location became a hot spot for paranormal researchers. Theres Herb standing on the edge of his property [00:26:30] wearing a suit and tie and looking exactly how you would imagine a successful small business owner might look in the 1990s. Julie moved from Fox Hollow Farm. According to the Chillicothe Gazette, weird things started happening about a year after the Graves family moved in. At least I hope not, [00:14:00] but until I get it all figured out, it feels like its killing me. In reality, Gacyused the crawl space tostorethe decomposing bodies of the many young men and boys he killed. [00:26:00] As the crew approached, Herb said to his son, I think hes going to lay a paint stripe right over that dead raccoon. Sure enough, the crew did just that. When they had finished their poolside fun, the pair collected [00:12:30] themselves, and Smart drove the man back to Indianapolis where they agreed to meet up again the following week. Im Scott Benjamin and everything Im about to tell you is real. WebOP claimed that Julie Baumeister never allowed her kids friends into the house and one time the OP went inside to use the bathroom unannounced and the house was a hoarders paradise full of old furniture, clothes, decor and, creepily, multiple mannequins were posed among the clutter throughout the house. In fact, you can match the location with crime scene photos taken of the property years later. From Iheartradio and Tenderfoot TV, Monster presents INSOMNIAC. Great River Greening and Kernza Kernza is the first perennial grain crop in the worldmeaning farmers dont need to replant it every year, allowing the crop to grow deep, complex root systems. Carole Hoff was the second wife of John Wayne Gacy, Jr., the serial killer who confessed to sexually molesting and murdering more than 30 boys and young men. They. Since Beaumeister committed suicide before During the time that the I-70 killings were committed, Herb and Julie Baumeister had been married for a little over 10 years. [00:07:30] Schizophrenics are often drawn into a fantasy or delusional world. It didnt take long. In the late 1960s, Baumeister enrolled in college, but dropped out before graduation. Nothing seems to be out of the ordinary. But in [00:17:30] adolescents, he started developing antisocial behaviors. Whenauthorities discoveredtwo barrels containing bodies on Robinson's farm property, murder charges soon followed. It also afforded Herb a lot of privacy, enough to do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted without the fear of being discovered. The next several years werent much better for Herb either. There also happened to be a dead raccoon on the road. Harris claimed Briantook him to a large estate, and the twoengaged in autoerotic asphyxiation. The particularly adventuresome can even take haunted tours of the property hosted by American Hauntings Ghost Tours. Now reading those books have become part of [00:23:30] my daily work. Police spotted Dotson near a smashed out storefront window that displayed a mannequin wearing a French maid outfit. While secrecy is absolutely necessary, a lot of killers find they need to share what they have done. She thought her husband, Herb Baumeister, was acting off though people had been saying that about Herb since he was a teen telling lewd jokes and playing with dead animals. While we do not discount the information that has and continues to come to light, we do not know the person whom we have read and heard about on TV [John Robinson is a] loving and caring husband and father We wait with each of you for the cloud of allegations and innuendo to clear, revealing, at last, the facts. In late Julie didnt go to the police. While he owned the Sav-A-Lot stores, employees reported that he would sometimes disappear for long stretches of the day, occasionally returning with alcohol on his breath. All of this is really just [00:16:00] the tip of the iceberg. He shot himself in the forehead with a .357 Magnum, leaving behind a three-page suicide note that described his failing business, his familys financial woes, and his marital troubles, but made no mention of the grisly crimes of which he was now the prime suspect. She asked Herb about the human remains and he explained that his late father, an anesthesiologist, had given him a medical skeleton. But I wouldnt necessarily call it entertaining anymore or fun or relaxing in any way. Brian, he said, had a sexual strangulation fetish thing.. 2010 The Thought & Expression Company, Inc. Indianapolis Police Department, Seek the Truth Paranormal, people thought Julie Baumeister was a silly, stupid, or gullible woman, one man was shaken enough by a violent sexual encounter with a wealthy man named Brian Smart, Herb Baumeister could be responsible for an additional nine murders of men along I-70 in the 1980s, The couple who bought the home have seen dismembered spirits. Each of those eight had disappeared during the time when Julie was out of town with the children and Herb was at home alone. Its strange [00:02:00] and frightening when you envision yourself carrying out some of the most vile crimes you can possibly imagine. Gay men from the area surrounding Indianapolis, all matching a similar physical description, age, height and weight, were disappearing. She said in an interview, Our biggest question now is how he could have loved us and done this., Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, Horror Movies That Don't Look Like Horror Movies. August 15, 2017. After five months of investigating Herb, police finally convinced Julie Baumeister to allow them to search Fox Hollow Farm while Herb was out of town at the lake condo. This success didnt last long however as signs of his mental illness began to show, and his position was finally terminated in the 1980s [00:19:30] when he urinated on a letter which was to be sent to the then governor of Indiana, Robert Orr. Im just thankful that my own secret isnt going to lead to a complete collapse of my life. Every summer, Julie would take their son Erich and their two daughters, Marne and Emily, to a lake house owned by Herbs mother. Julie claimed she had no idea that Herb was interested in men. Her husband, Herb, was quick to allay Julies fears. Didnt even move it. But those old books were enough to get me started and more than enough to show me that fact is almost always more interesting than fiction. The Graveses and their sons work as housekeepers, groundskeepers, and do-it-yourselfers to keep the sprawling property in top shape. Over the course of the season, Ill tell you all about it and what has done to me on a professional level as well as personally. Herb went missing the day after the search started, and authorities found his body eight days later lying beside his car in a park. The bones appear to represent one of the most gruesome acts of serial murder that Indiana has ever seen. It appears in the arts. But its not just the endless pages of detailed, horrific crimes that keeps me awake at night. The tale is filled with such horror that its easy to overlook the mannequins. She simply believed he was engaging in extramarital affairs. Here are five women who unknowingly married serial killers: Paula Rader was married to her husband Dennis for 34 years before she found out he was a serial killer. Lack of sleep, if it lasts long [00:02:30] enough can absolutely wreck you. She ultimately filedfor divorce. And a special thanks to Joe Melillo [00:29:00] and WISH TV. She refused. She asked Erich to take her to where he had found it. The odd [00:18:00] thing is that theres no record of Herb ever receiving treatment for either condition. WebHerb Baumeister interview with WISH-TV Joe Melillo 251 subscribers Subscribe 103K views 6 years ago Raccoon hit and a well dressed and personable Herb Baumeister His wife, his children, the authorities, and everyone else really, were about to learn the secrets that Herb kept hidden at Fox Hollow Farm. The two had been married since 1971. So how much did Julie Baumeister know and when did she know it? He grew up in a comfortable home and seemed to have had a normal childhood. WebSelect this result to view Julie Ann Baumeister's phone number, address, and more. Julie didnt object, saying that Herb was hurting and needed help. In 1985, Herb was accused of committing a hit-and-run while drinking and driving, and in 1986 he was charged with auto theft and conspiracy to commit theft. We know plenty about the case, but its also clear that some of the dirtiest details went to the grave along with Herb Baumeister. The Indianapolis Police ran a check on the license plate number, and the results pointed back to the cars owner. Of course, but definitely not a serial murderer. She asked her son to lead her to where he found the skull and the 13-year-old led her to a pile of bones. If you know where to look, examples of agalmatophilia can be found in lots of places. My thoughts, I cant seem to turn everything off and be able to just get some rest. The informant tried to get Smart to talk more about the missing Goodlet, but every time he mentioned the missing man, Smart became evasive and changed the subject. In the years since the Baumeisters left the estate, dozens of people have reported that the farm is haunted, with some even claiming that the spirit of Herb Baumeister himself still walks there. The couple separated and Herb filed for divorce. According to Julie, Herb had made countless trips to Ohio during those years, supposedly on store business. To find out about more unions that ended in tragedy, watch "A Wedding and A Murder," premieringMonday, Sept. 9at 9/8c. He worked for many years as an undiscovered killer, but as life changed after he bought the property known as Fox Hollow Farm, this guy, this killer, well no one could ever know what he was truly up to. Of her late husbands alleged killings, Julie told People, Our biggest question now is how he could have loved us and done this. But what about women who married serial killers before or during their crimes? That doesnt mean Herbs dark side was without its own warning signs. In 1994, Julie Baumeister had been having problems in her marriage. The truth was Smart didnt expect his late night pool guest to wake up at all, and thats what spooked him. On further inspection, the pair found a pile of bones - if reassembled it would make a fully formed human skeleton. [00:04:00] On July 2nd, 1996, a Canadian trooper cautiously approached the driver of the vehicle parked under a bridge. Radersaid he liedto his wife, claiming it was a project he was working on about the BTK Killer for one of his college classes. They lived in Wichita, KS, and had two children together, a boy and a girl. In 1987 in upstate New York, a convicted [00:21:00] killer was paroled early after he was deemed no longer dangerous to society. In the fall of 1994, Julie Baumeisters son Erichthe middle of three children she shared with her husband Herb Baumeisterbrought her a human skull. When she asked where hed found it, he said that he got it in the woods of their 18-acre estate, Fox Hollow Farm, a few miles outside Indianapolis. I guess well never know the answer. Its just completely opposite [00:13:00] of the way its supposed to be, its completely flip flopped, and I dont know how to fix this, but Ive got to pretty soon. Now not all of Dotsons crimes involved mannequins, but a lot of them did. There are 10+ professionals named "Julie Baumeister", who use LinkedIn to exchange information, ideas, and opportunities. I want to sleep at night. The 11,000 square-foot house features an indoor swimming pool, a five-car garage, stained glass windows, and two libraries. Julie also refused the search believing, as her husband had told her, the request was the result of a false accusation of theft. Herb, of course, refused the search and since the police didnt have enough evidence for a warrant, they had to leave. They paid $987,000 with the help of a silent partner, though the property had been put on the market for $2.8 million in 2004. It affects my home life, and to some degree, its even changed my physical appearance. Fox Hollow Farm ranks among its most popular destinations, said Troy Taylor, American Hauntings founder. Along with the skeletal remains, investigators unearthed handcuffs, no doubt used on the victims, and several cans of Miller Genuine Draft, Herbs favorite drink. In the 80s, Herb and Julie opened up two thrift stores and made enough money to buy their dream home. Fox Hollow Farm was a sprawling 18-acre estate complete with a 5 bedroom home and indoor pool. From the outside, it looked as if the Baumeisters had achieved the perfect life. And how you could have done this, and still be married to me?". Insomnia for me [00:11:30] and many others means my mind is active when I really rather it wasnt. I dreamed about him all the time. Soon, Smart brought up the topic of autoerotic asphyxiation. Did they not care? Its the kind of home that could be paradise. The informant suspected that Smart had just snorted some cocaine. I was crying, she told People, saying, No, it cant be him.'. I started recording myself and these sleepless moments, a log of my thoughts. It was at this point Smart began choking him with the pool hose, but when it was clear that he wasnt going to stop, the informant pretended to pass out and Smart released him. WhenRaderconfessedto police, he said his wife once found one of the poems he wrote about a victim; she admitted the poem scared her. Some even settle down with partners and have children, all while continuing to commit unspeakable crimes under the facade of having a normal family. Nothing criminal, [00:01:00] but just like him, there are parts of my life Id like to keep separate including my sleep issues and my vivid, realistic nightmares. Then Her Son Found A Human Skull. In 1994, Julie Baumeister had been having problems in her marriage. She thought her husband, Herb Baumeister, was acting off though people had been saying that about Herb since he was a teen telling lewd jokes and playing with dead animals. He even once urinated on a teachers desk. Six months after his marriage to Julie, Herbs father had him committed to a psychiatric hospital, where he spent nearly two months. We did everything together, Julie was later quoted as saying. Youll undoubtedly hear about Herb Baumeisters several murders, or the boys he cultivated then lured home. Everyone thought he eventually got it together. Most killers arent very open about their murdering ways, and thats with good reason. The two began dating, much to the chagrin of the girl's parents, who felt Jerrywas too old for their daughter. Human remains in your own backyard are hard to overlook. Mawson described their encounter at a bar in Seattle toPeople magazine:I thought, Hes good looking. Lynch filed for divorce from Robinson in 2005. In 1989, the couple opened several successfulSave-A-Lotused clothing stores in the Indianapolis area. He kept them around for company. Im Scott Benjamin, and everything Im about to tell you is real. Fox Hollow is a beautiful 11,000-square-foot Tudor-style mansion with an indoor swimming pool, set on 18 acres of rolling, wooded landscape. Then Her I find this extremely strange. He left a three-page note that talked of marriage and money woes, but not a word about the murdered men. A man named Tony Harris told the policeabout an encounter he had with someone who called himself"Brian." The phone numbers of Julie are (651) 638-1980 (Qwest Corp), (651) 470-7551 (Cellco PartnershipQwest Corp). In May of 1993, Indianapolis police began receiving missing person reports. When he met Juliana Julie Saiter, his life changed. She needed to know that her husband was living a secretive double life and he was now suspected of multiple murders. Members of the Graves family are far from the only ones who have reported strange goings-on at and around Fox Hollow Farm. Police asked for permission to search the property. To begin our story, we have to start almost exactly 25 years ago, in a city known as the Crossroads of America. Doctor Psycho is a odcast thst searches the broken underbelly of society, shining a light on more neglected topics. On the surface, Baumeister, 48, seemed an unlikely candidate for the role of serial sex slayer. This guided journal will help you moveon. He noticed that the interior was crowded [00:10:30] with dust covered furniture and boxes as they made their way through the house. The man who called himself Brian Smart was actually Herb Baumeister, and in November of 1995, police approached the couple at Fox Hollow Farm. Well play the audio for you in a moment. Youre going to learn how the I70 Strangler found a way around this dilemma. Troubles continued in college and in the working world. But I would like to know the real answer to the question. Herb shrugged. This leads to faulty perception, inappropriate feelings and even actions. I want to be very careful when approaching this topic and I want to be very clear when I say that Julie Baumeister is not responsible in any way for the actions of her husband. Julie said she didnt think twice about the discovery. He said that he had met a man who called himself Brian Smart at one of the citys clubs and that the two had gone to Brians estate in the country. They didnt have evidence enough for a search warrant. Those clips you just heard are the part of my life I dont normally share with anyone. Gacy had a hot temper, and the two often argued. [00:18:30] In November of 1971, Herb was 24 years old, and he and Julia were married. WebLeben. The very next day, on July 3rd, 1996, that same American visitor was in Pinery Provincial Park in Grand Bend, Ontario, Canada. In addition to the 11 bodies found on his property, Herb was also suspected in at least nine other killings along the I70 corridor between Indiana and Ohio. If somebody has any information, wed be happy to look at it, Hancock County Sheriff James Bradbury said of the case. I wasnt sure Id ever played these again and I definitely didnt think Id be sharing them with anyone else. Hes relatively calm. The informant had spotted Brian once again, and this time he got the mans license plate. For more podcasts from [00:22:00] iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. In the woods behind the 11,000 square-foot Tudor house, police unearthed more than 5,000 human bones in what one searcher later described as a scene like a bomb went off in a people factory. The remains had been burned and buried and the search to find them all took two weeks. The anxiety, the lack of energy during the day, falling asleep at my office desk in the middle of the afternoon, trouble concentrating on anything, and then extremely restless sleep when I do drift off in the evenings. They had no idea they were sleeping next to complete monsters. The Baumeisters were the founders of the thrift store chain Sav-a-Lot. [00:09:30] He said his name was Brian Smart, and he was a landscaper from Ohio. Somewhere with a lot of property and privacy [00:21:30] where Herb could conduct a different kind of business. In 2002, Robinson faced charges for three murders and received a death sentence. Along with her mother and two daughters from a previous marriage, Hoff lived in the Illinois home where Gacy committed many of his murders. [00:20:30] The Baumeisters called their new thrift store Save A Lot, not to be confused with the chain of grocery stores that go by a similar name, and it was initially successful. When questioned by police, Baumeister's wife Juliana told investigators that one of their kids found a human skull on the farm in December 1994. On June 24, 1996, while Herb was out of town, Julie allowed the police to search Fox Hollow Farm. Its embarrassing and I dont want it to happen anymore. But that doesnt make it any easier for me to accept. [00:04:30] He was arrested for drinking and driving in Rochester, Indiana, and sentenced to three days in jail in one year of probation. Lists about infamous repeat murderers to chill your blood and remind you to lock your doors and windows and maybe keep a knife under your pillow. Feb 2022 - Apr 20231 year 3 months. The couple wed within a few months,had two children, and eventuallymoved to Portland, OR, where Jerrybegan his serial killing spree. They separated, and the thrift stores started to flounder. He was the eldest child of Herbert and Elizabeth Baumeister, and he led a seemingly happy childhood. When Herb discovered there was awarrant for his arrest, he fled to Ontario, Canada, and killed himself. The authorities immediately found human bones in and around the ditch. To help cope with the pain her husband caused, Masonbegan writing; in 2017, shepublisheda book, Green River Serial Killer: Biography of an Unsuspecting Wife,co-written with PennieMorehead.